Wednesday, February 20, 2008

National Black Marathoners: What Is Wrong With These Negroes?

Well it's Black History month and last week I had a blog entry aptly titled, "The Ignorant Negroes of Harlem"....in the spirit of the month I ask the question: The National Black Marathoners' Association (NBMA), What is wrong with these negroes? Yes, there is such an association - glad to see it, - very much needed. It's co-founded by an impressive guy there on the left below, Tony Reed. Tony's ran for 25 years and all over the world - in that photo he is running in last weeks "Lost Dutchman Marathon" the event where the Black Marathoners held its annual gathering. Tony & I have corresponded - I am not speaking out of school here - this is going to get ugly y'all. The NBMA estimates that a little less than 2 percent of U.S. marathoners are Black. I say the NBMA does not know the demographics of marathoning in America. Note Tony Reed is the unofficial spokesman of Black American Marathoning. I get emailed and asked about Blacks (American) and marathoning - invited to participate in books on the subject, etc. - I am sure Tony does too - Tony gets interviewed far more than me. White people (Runner's World) basically defers to Tony the recognition as being the leading authority on the subject - though Tony's accomplished at marathoning - he does not know much on the subject, at least I've never seen hints of knowledge in interviews - he's never once said the name Ted Corbitt - and you all know how I am when it comes to Ted, right? On the Black Marathoners website.... , I have never seen mention of Ted, Eddie Gardner, Oscar Moore, Jr, Lou White, I can go on and on and get turn of the Century on you in a nano-second [Historical Black figures in distance running]. But you know what I do see on the Black Marathoners website?...a tribute to the 1865 Emancipation Proclamation - their logo. A remembrance to Slavery? That's your fucking logo? Tony Reed, is this the best you can do? Would it be too much to ask for a logo that is more forward thinking, more celebratory, something that suggest fitness, health, movement of the human body? A contemporary " joie de vivre" spirit (joy of living)....? No, the Black Marathoners go with a logo that looks like a Generic License Plate. Anytime I need to be reminded I am an "ex-slave" in heritage I look at the Black Marathoners logo that brands and keeps Slave Stigma alive and well. Congratu-fucking-lations on self-ghetto-izing yourself. I ask you, what is wrong with these Negroes? Back to the point, since about 425,000+ people completed marathons last year, the Black Marathoners are saying a little more than 8,000 Black Americans ran marathons in '07. That did not happen. How do I know - I just know. Where did they run them? I live on the NYC Marathon route - I know how many Black people I see......seriously, I've seen this 2% number floated around - to my awareness there is nothing supporting it. You will not see 100 Black people (2%) in a NYRR Half Marathon of 5,000. I would guess somewhere between 0.5% - 1% at the very most of marathon finishers in '07 were Black, closer to 0.5% in fact, certainly not 2% or 8,500 or so - no way. In response to the question of why don't Blacks run distance, Tony Reed said, "With a lot of Americans, it's easier to take a pill or a shot than to get up off the couch and become active," Reed said of what he calls the diseases of inactivity. Is this Tony Reed nicely saying, "Negroes are lazy"? Funny - I say the same thing about the Black Marathoners - his ogranization. In that linked article Tony Reed said in 2005, about 15 runners ran the inaugural Black Marathoners event at the Louis & Clark Marathon. Tony Reed said he anticipates more than 150 black runners converged in Phoenix last Sunday for the Lost Dutchman Marathon . (note some ran the Half Marathon and lesser distance events at the same venue). Fort Worth's Cowtown Marathon will be the 2009 venue. Membership in the Black Marathoners has increased to 800. Tony's compiled his race memories in a new book titled Running Shoes Are Cheaper Than Insulin: Marathon Adventures on All Seven Continents. It's a collection of stories chronicling his 25 years of running. Reed, always goal-driven, now aspires to finish 100 marathons. He ran No. 92 at the Lost Dutchman and No. 93 in 3 days at Cowtown Marathon . He plans to run No. 100 at Cowtown 2009 with his fellow NBMA members on hand. Tony, Tony, Tony....why are you running marathons spaced 5 days apart? I know lots of people who do this - they run a marathon every single weekend, week after week. They even have an organization I've mentioned before, the Marathon Maniacs. That's their logo on the left. What Tony is doing is "compiling" - that's all, it's not hard. Worse, it marginalizes and depreciates the whole marathon event for yourself - which is cool, if that's what you want to do. Lots of people enter marathons, proceed to basically use them as long slow distance training runs, get the medal, etc. and that's it. When you race a Marathon at your best effort, you need time to ramp up & train, taper, run the event, and recover. That's a process of months to do it anywhere near your maximum potential. When you run marathons week after week, you're not racing, you're compiling miles at a 75% or 80% effort at best. I have a different orientation to marathoning. Compiling stats, numbers, does not appeal to me - I marathon for performance. I don't half-ass it - and perhaps I am not a member of the Black Marathoners because I am convinced it's a half-ass organization content with being insular. If you're into marginal efforts.....or groups, clubs, hey...whatever, that's not me. The Black Marathoners ? I don't even know where to begin to illustrate this.... The logo is awful, they don't know marathon demographics, and they make no effort to expand, progress, or be a dynamic organization. How do I know? I reached out to them, and all the ancillary affiliated running clubs connected to them. There's 1 in Atlanta I think, a chapter in Chicago, Cleveland, there in Texas where it's based out of with Tony. I contacted ALL OF THEM in email, making an effort to bond, network, etc. 1 of these chapters got back to me - never heard from ANY of the rest... this was at the beginning of last year - and they need some presence in NYC for goodness sake - they have none here - with the biggest running club in the world, the NYRR. I can get them at least 100 earmarked set aside entries in the NYC Marathon with little trouble - I am sure of that. But we don't network or have dialog....I got them figured out (very insular thinking). The Black Marathoners know shit about how to build a dynamic organization - just look at their model now. What the fuck is the Black Marathoners Association doing having their annual event in Apache Junction, AZ? The organization needs to grow - most Black runners in NYC never heard of the organization - for real. Their 2009 event is the "Cowtown Marathon" - well that's nice and convenient for Tony Reed (it's where he lives)....but awful for the growth of the Black Marathoners. What is wrong with these Negroes? I understand they want to summit at events that have multiple race lengths other than the marathon distance so more can participate - fine, I get it. Still....the Georgia Marathon also has a Half Marathon Race; the LA Marathon has a 5K Run/Walk event, in Washington DC there is the National SunTrust Marathon and Half. Atlanta, LA, DC. Major metro city events with in place Black communities justifying more people to go because it's quite likely they have friends & family they could also visit on the trip - it just further justifies participating in the event for a typical Black person. Plus there are other Black professional organizations robust in size - in these cities (accountants, engineers, physicians, sororities, fraternities etc.) to tap into, promote and recruit from & with. In sum, an ideal infrastructure is in place to conjure a ground swell of promotion, word of mouth, interest and participation with the Black Marathoners - in the held annual event /venue. The Philadelpia Marathon also has a Half, 8K, and a Kids Run - perfect for all. Strategically locate - that's how you grow & expand - further your goal and mission - it's called "optimizing" your charter - you have events in Vegas & Orlando for "value added" reasons - there are other attractions for all - reasons to go....but what does Tony Reed & the Black Marathoners do? They have their summit in Apache-fucking-Junction, Arizona? And in '09 it's the Cowtown? I ask you, what is wrong with these Negroes? There's no organizational dynamism, no strategic thinking. For example, when you hold these events in major cities - there's media in place (print & TV), these events have major sponsors - Verizon's affiliated with the Philadelphia Marathon, well Verizon also has all sorts of foundations, programs, scholarships, etc. aimed at African Americans - there is all sorts of synergy to be conjured for the NBMA in recognizing, valuing, and leveraging alliances with marathons that have in place programs & connections serving African Americans - promoting education, health, fitness to Black communities. The Black Marathoners seem to be hell bent on holding their summit in February? Why? Black History month? Dumb, think bigger please, broader...... Black professional organizations hold their annual summit meetings at all sorts of times during the year, they do not confine themselves to February annual meetings for the sake of Black History month. In sum, the whole mindset of the Black Marathoners? - sorry, I just can't get down with it, too insular, too small. I am not just criticizing - I've offered some solid paths to improvement in this blog entry - I hope they take my words and run with them - #1 revise the logo for starters, hell it looks more like a mug shot number/ID plate that you are forced to hold at your chest when arrested and booked, #2 network in all cities (don't stay insular) reach out to people - market online, hell it ain't that hard, create a blog for crissakes, the Black Marathoners are basically non-existent on the East & West coasts. #3 align with major sponsor events in major cities, etc. hence align with ING / Atlanta - Georgia for that event, etc. - in sum, become relevant, that means bigger than Tony Reed. Right now the Black Marathoners is all about Tony Reed - and when he places the '09 event in his backyard for the Cowtown race - looks to me he's preserving insular think, c'mon Tony....be bigger - something he should have no problem doing....Sadly I am not a member of the Black Marathoners, isn't that something?.....and really does not make sense - until you digest my reasons why in this blog - a lack of dynamism....and they don't want to hear from me - I do more to promote the awareness of Blacks & marathoning than that whole organization ......and I would not be a member of any organization with such a fucked up logo that reflects backward to your slave heritage. "What is wrong with these negroes"? Have a great day!

13 comments:

monicac2 said...

Hey Lance, how do you really feel?

ROFLMAO!

You just went smooth off on them. It sounds like you're most ticked at their lack of a response to your inquiries. How long has this organization been around (I remember stumbling upon their website while surfing the Net at some point, but it was not impressive, so I kept it moving)? Maybe they just need some time to get well-established?

And I don't think there is anything wrong with having an event in Arizona or Texas - both places are *centrally located* (says she who lives in Dallas).

Anyway, cut these people some slack, Lance! You just go smooth off (which makes for very funny reading, BTW); have a bit more empathy!

Anonymous said...

After checking out your races and times at MarathonGuide.com, it appears that the only marathon you've run (since 2001) is the NY Marathon. And you've ONLY run it three or four times.

Perhaps, you need to get out a little bit more. The world does not revolve around NYC. If you did, you'd notice people are able to effectively communicate without using profanity.

Lance said...

11:39 - I never said I was a "marathoner" and am not - I am far more a middle distance runner - long before database entry of results was done - I've even posted photos on this blog of me racing in the 80's. Also I did live outside the USA in Hong Kong, Beijing & Nairobi and you won't find my overseas running in any database. But the blog entry is not about me - it's about the dysfunction in image, planning, & operations of the Black Marathoners - just an opinion, I could be wrong. I am a man of flaws - as illustrated with my use of profantiy. If I have offended you in any way, for that I apologize.

Richard said...

Lance,
It's hard to tell if you're upset because they suck at their noble mission or because they're not listening specifically to you. Either way, it sounds like you can do it better!
How to start your own running club

Anonymous said...

I noticed the NBMA logo is trademarked. Did they grant you permission to use it?

Marc and Tanya said...

Lance,
I ran the Lost Dutchman with the NBMA. I had a very enjoyable run and met some nice black folk who also like to run. That was what I was looking to get out of it. But I do understand some of your crticism, but would I have put them on blast. No. But thats me.
On another subject, that offer for entry into the NYC marathon? does that still stand. I need 2 for my wife and I. If you can't do it I'll understand.
MJ

Anonymous said...

I was sent this link by a NBMA member. I was shocked at your comments both about the organization and Tony. You owe Tony and the NBMA an apology.

I've known Tony for several years. He is nothing like your description.

When Ted passed away, the NBMA members received an email from Tony about Ted's passing with links to websites about Ted.

I asked Tony about your comments regarding the interviews, particularly with Runner's World. He said the interview lasted several hours. And they talked extensively about Ted. In fact, Ted was honored in RW that month. However, that part of the interview did not appear in RW. If you've had any real experience with the press, you should know that they don't print everything you say. They have limitations based on the space available for the article.

Your comments about the February "Black History" month marathons is also wrong. The first two annual marathons were not in February.

At the start of the marathon, Tony asked the announcer introduce a NBMA member who was running his 340 marathon. One of the directors brought a birthday cake to the starting area for a member who was celebrating by running her first marathon.

It wasn't about Tony. It was all about the runners and providing a forum for them to meet.

I think it's important to remember that 100% of the organization's costs are paid for out of the pockets of the Board of Directors. (I'd like for you and your "friends" form a national orgazation and fund it yourself.) And there are no sponsors. Thus, 100% of the member donations go directly into the scholarship fund.

Tony believes in putting his money where is mouth is and actively encourages people of all experience levels to participate in the sport. The NBMA Board keeps it's mission very simple.

I think it's sad that you try to tear down other people, just to build yourself up.

I called Tony about your comments. He was on his way to a television interview with Fox. He said that he'd rather focus his energy on more productive things, rather than responding.

Again, I feel that you owe Tony and the NBMA an apology.

Lance said...

>I think it's important to remember that 100% of the organization's costs are paid for out of the pockets of the Board of Directors. (I'd like for you and your "friends" form a national orgazation and fund it yourself.) And there are no sponsors.
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You're illustrating my point exactly, "What's Wrong With You Negroes?" The Black Marathoners lack anyone, including Tony Reed, with vision & talent at the leadership level. You on your own are supposed to be savvy & smart enough, to have the skill set to secure sponsorship. Take a look in the mirror, take a look at Tony Reed, ask him why you don't have Nike sponsoring you with great running gear and discounted shoes? The Central Park Track Club here in NYC does, what's your excuse? I say it's a lack of executive talent. I am dishing you tough love. Would you like a list of the running clubs in America with sponsorship? There are HUNDREDS! I can send it to you, you can ask Tony Reed, "why don't we have sponsorship"? My god you're Black Marathoners, securing Fortune 500 sponsorship should be a slam dunk - no trouble at all. But you don't want to do that, do you? Personal responsibility for your organizational poor and or non-performance? Look at your leaders, look at Tony and ask fair grounds & valid questions - that reveal and reflect.....a lack of organizational dynamism...do you? I suggest you take this spoonful of tough love and as an organization - get your shit together.


>Tony believes in putting his money where is mouth

yeah - in his self published book, right? the one he uses on the Black Marathoners website to sell, right? You're the vehicle to sell his book, I get it.

>I think it's sad that you try to tear down other people, just to build yourself up.
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Not the case - all I note is you're not speaking to the issues I raised. Your tact is to divert, blur, etc. while not speaking to the pathetic horrible logo, etc. all the points I raised. You actually profoundly have illustrated my point and well. Diversion of the real issues I raised.

>I called Tony about your comments.

Cool, can you ask Tony for me, now he supposedly ran last weeks LD Marathon in Apache Junction, AZ, right? No. 93 or whatever. Can you ask Tony for me, why is his name not in the results for Men 50 - 54?

http://raceplaceevents.com/ldm08res.htm#Males%2050-54

Can you, Tony, or anyone tell me why his name is not in the results? I am curious, when Tony DNFs (Does Not Finish) a race, does he still count it as "completing a marathon"? Serious question - I knew this - I was not going to raise this - bring this up - but since you've chosen to come on here and speak with such vigor and inside knowledge on Tony...I assume you can answer this basic question for me.

>He was on his way to a television interview with Fox.

...and your purpose in telling us this is...? If you're saying Fox is more important than Harlem 26.2, well them are fighting words! How dare you!

Anonymous said...

Tony ran in the clydesdale division, not in his age group. You can't compete in both. Again, check your "facts." He finished the marathon.

Lance said...

marc & tanya - Hey, I've been able to make the case to the NYRR and get individuals in the NYC Half Marathon and the like, smaller but still closed & exclusive races, - but I've never tried to get people in the big event, the NYC Marathon.

However despite everything I say, if the Black Marathoners rounded up a group that wanted to run the NYC Marathon - I promise you, I would fight tooth and nail, move heaven and earth and get guaranteed entry of whatever amount of that organization wanted to participate - and get them earmarked slots - exclusive for the Black Marathoners. I'm confident I could get this done. Even if not for '08, it would be great if they considered it for '09 - and I am referring to every single member - regardless of pace.

People should note my criticisms of the Black Marathoners organizationally does not effect my commitment to supporting their charter.

Note I believe the on-line lottery entry process starts on Monday or Tuesday for the '08 race.

Anonymous said...

I just discovered your blog by way of marc and tanya's blog by way of the NBMA website to which I am a proud member of and I live in the Dallas area.
I occasionlly train with Tony. It's not just about him. This is a great organization giving black runners newbies (as myself) and veterans the chance to meet and encourage and see that there are black folks out there who do run marathons.
You do owe Tony an apology, because he is nothing like your description. He's very knowledgable about past black runners(Ted Corbitt, Eddie,Oscar and others) He's a wonderful person who is doing something to get black runners together. Where's your organization? The only thing i see you doing is tearing down someone. The annual NBMA events are not just in February and they have been to the east coast, Long Branch NJ marathon. Theres nothing wrong with going to Arizona or any other place that doesn't have a large black population.
Expand your mind outside of NY,LA,DC Atlanta.
That said, that offer for the NYC Marathon entry, I'm interested either for 08' or 09'. I won't hate if you can't. I'll understand.

Lance said...

>The only thing i see you doing is tearing down someone.
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I appreciate your comments however your response was emotional, had no substance and did not counter my illustrations of Tony Reed and your organization.

For example you could have (and still can) come on this blog and defend the pride you have in your logo, you did not, why is that?

If you or Tony or any member of the NBMA wants to respond to my speech - I would be pleased to devote a blog to that end wherein I will feature your words, unaltered or edited by me - and I will even agree to not comment on it at all - I won't say a word even after you've had your say on my site.

Anonymous said...

I am getting in so late on this. I am giving a totally visceral response. If you have such great ideas, why not share them directly with the B of Directors before sounding off. If the ideas were not embraced, then sound off. Why create tension when there doesn't have to be? Also, the logo is a racing bib; not a license plate, not a mug shot. Let's try to support and make improvements; your actions could be perceived as hatin'! Some of the marketing issues and other initiatives you referenced may not have a strong board champion of them. Your voice and expertise may be really appreciated.