Wednesday, February 27, 2008

The First Black American Marathon Runner : My Boycott of The National Black Marathoners' Association

Many consider that man on the left, Arthur Newton to be one of the visionaries in distance running, and to a degree, he was. I would not dispute that assertion, however, what I would dispute is Arthur Newton's assertion that - "Blacks would never run distance. They just don't have what it takes to do the distance." Yes, that cut and dry, plain and simple - fortunately, Black American Ted Corbitt responded to that assertion and eventually towered over Arthur Newton as a running visionary in ways Newton could not imagine. The first distance runners in America were Native Americans who have a rich running history. Running was a means of transportation, as it facilitated trading and sending of messages in addition to hunting and warfare. I can't prove but I have no doubt slaves escaping the South and heading North were essentially in many cases ultrarunning. Note, this whole distance running endeavor as an "event or sport" is a progression of what in the 1800's was called "Pedestrian Multi-Days" (power walking over hundreds of miles for days) - this was a huge sport drawing crowds, fans, great prize money, etc. A superstar of the sport and the first African American distance athlete I know of was named Francis Smith - a "pedestrian" great of the 1830's. Now before there was Ted Corbitt, there was Black American Fred Hitchborn, a grocery store clerk in Boston who set a goal to become a professional pedestrian for the prize money to be won - and that he did. He entered his first race at age 20 in 1879 at the Boston Music Hall. As is stated per the record, "He was the favorite and followed by many at races because of his color, a Black Man and he walked with some of the most prominent names in the walking world; Charles Rowell, Edward Weston, and George Guyon. Fred Hitchborn later changed his name to Frank Hart (he was also known as "Black Dan)" (there he is on the right showing a championship pedestrian belt). At races no one would shake his hand at the start, he received racial taunts and threats of violence from spectators. Once a spectator gave him some soda water he became severely ill and it was determined that he was poisoned. Even being ill-stricken he managed to beat Weston and Guyon. He won the Rose Belt race by completing 540 miles, one mile short of the world record. Hitchborn then cracked the world record at the 1880 O'Leary race by successfully running 565 miles". Click here & here to learn the history and check out Multi-Days.com. I've never met a Black person who ever heard of Fred Hitchborn/Frank Hart and most all African American historic archives neglect mentioning him - however thanks to Quintard Taylor & Blackpast.org & Charles B. Kastner - you can click those links and learn about "Black Dan". We Black Americans have a problem - it's ourselves, it's exemplified & worsened in distance running by people like Tony Reed & The Black Marathoners Association. Arthur Newton, Ted Corbitt, Frank Hart, and Delores Cross (former President of a Black College and only Black American to write an autobiography paralleling life and marathon running, below on the left) should be found on the website of any organization characterizing itself as "The National Black Marathoners Association". On their site the only book Tony Reed gives voice and attention to is his. The National Black Marathoners have no room for Delores Cross, only Tony Reed. Consequently he fosters and preserves a collective ignorance within the organization, inarguably illustrated in their logo and slogan. Let's be clear, Tony Reed co-opts the words National, Black, Marathon, & Association and all they imply and markets the identity of the authoritive source and bastion of American Black distance running. His press releases leverage his ethnicity and organization name to establish the appearance of legitimacy, this is his "currency" to promote himself, sell his books, and secure bookings as a speaker. In sum, Tony Reed exploits a history and legacy in name for his own promotion (while excluding giving that legacy any "air"). Have you seen The Great Debaters? The film, based on a true story, revolves around the efforts of Black debate coach (Denzel Washington) at historically Black Wiley College to place his team on equal footing with whites in the American south during the 1930s, when lynch mobs and Jim Crow laws abounded. The Wiley team eventually succeeds to the point at which they are able to take part in a debate with Harvard University. The pursuit of Black excellence need not only be in film, it should be in all quarters wherein we (Black People) present ourselves as national organizations and entities. Last week Tony Reed ran Marathons spaced 5 days apart, he assured himself the less than mediocrity he achieved finishing 645th out of 701 (inside runner talk, Tony's AG grade was 40.4% - no marathoner of this level could be in Runner's World - however Tony markets himself to Runner's World using his ethnicity and organization name and receives a type of "Negro Affirmative Action"). Tony's strategy is to promote himself, say he ran 100 marathons, use and exploit a legacy (Black Distance Running) while not paying tribute to it - and indeed insulting it with his logo and slogan of ignorance. I've chosen to be a contrary voice to the fraud that Tony Reed & the Black Marathoners Association is, for the reverence and dignity I hold to the legacy - the footsteps I run in. I will not be mentioning it again going forward on this blog - however I am boycotting the National Black Marathoning Association until such time that they 1) change their degrading logo and slogan and 2) incorporate some exposure to the legacy inherent to the name they co-opt. (I email reference a lot of people to them all the time). How does it work? Google the words Tony Reed Marathon and you tell me what you get?....an unmanageable situation for Tony Reed and the Black Marathoners going forward - and will remain until they institute change and dignify the words they've chosen to co-opt. Have a great day.

22 comments:

Richard said...

Well said. I agree with you 100%. I would be interested in hearing about running organizations that pay proper tribute to the legacy of black running if there are any--something your readers could take pride in joining. If the NBMA isn't worthy of the name perhaps we can pump up an organization that is?!? (If I type "black marathoner" into Google all I get are articles about...well...Tony Reed which is not what one should see.)

Hopefully your articles will make enough noise that the issues you raise will be mentioned in future "balanced" articles about the NBMA in the press. Maybe you can help them along with a "press release" of your own.

A balanced critique of the NBMA would also include mention of the its attempt to raise awareness for diabetes and its scholarship programs--Tony Reed is bad for the reasons you give but you have to admit that he isn't all bad.

But more than this, we had learned the use of power -- the power to be gained from exploiting the white man's economic and almost religious involvement in athletics. -- Harry Edwards

"inherit" s/b "inherent" btw.

Lance said...

Thanks, leadership rises when challenged - some NBMA members have already gone into "circle the wagons" mode consistent with what you see in cults for example protecting their leader, while I am sure others recognize fair & valid points and agree "self re-examining" is warranted.

You should (and perhaps have) consult with Tony Reed on how to react to me and manage my voice, without having to acknowledge so. If I may, Tony should open and conduct an anonymous poll & questionnaire on the NBMA website for his members (and non-members too with separate tracking of those responses) - with the idea being to learn how to improve the organization.

Out of this would come streams of thought & opinion (Change the Logo, Add History To The Site, Links to the Books of others on topic, etc.) that Tony Reed can react to. Hence when he in fact institutes the change that must come, he can say to his members & the media the "new & improved" NBMA is a result of our own polling, certainly not that arrogant SOB loudmouth in Harlem.

But you have an open mind - I suspect the majority of the NBMA is cult-like, I am very serious - I've had 2 public blog demands & 2 email demands to apologize to Tony Reed - all the while he need not address any of my points.....WTF? = Cult.

The NBMA does have all the earmarkings of a cult. An example I've not touched on? Per this months Runner's World Magazine and the blurb on Tony Reed, "Reed is already looking ahead to the NBMA's 2009 annual meeting on February 28. It will be at the Cowtown Marathon, where he plans to come full circle by completing his 100th 26.2-miler at the place his marathon journey began".

The language of the article suggest the NBMA and Tony Reed are separate entities, not one in the same, and he's answering the call of the NBMA and attending their annual summit which happens to be the Cowtown Marathon. This is another example of Tony Reed contrived manipulation in media to promote himself.

How so? Tony Reed markets a "narrative" of himself in media, - he intends on furthering this narrative in his own crowning achievement, the 100th marathon - at the place where it all started for him, he's come full circle. That's the narrative & why the summit is at Cowtown. Writer's write per the press releases they are given (by Tony Reed). Tony Reed wrote and fed that narrative to Runner's World - they swallowed it - he hopes to get media to buy into this narrative going forward.

If Tony Reed were asked why is the '09 NBMA annual summit in his backyard in Fort Worth, TX at the Cowtown Marathon, a race he's ran 18 times before - he would answer you with speech that suggest the interest and inclusion of the members. That's a lie, a falsehood, the members of the NBMA were never considered in the decision making process.

The NBMA summit is @ Cowtown in '09 to serve the personal interest and narrative of Tony Reed, case closed, it's rather obvious. The point? Remember all my speech of the NBMA being insular, no strategic planning, etc? There you have it. If there is planning of anything by the NBMA, it's focused on serving Tony Reed.

This all gives credence to my point that Tony Reed is Negro PT Barnum - a fraud. I seriously hope the NBMA takes my advice and does a complete and total overhaul / make over of the organization - for all the right reasons. They can do it under the cover a member feedback while also claiming no validity to my voice - who cares - just get it done. Good luck - and yes I have the connections - if they plan big and wanted to run NYC I will get every single member guaranteed entry in the NYC Marathon '09.

Anonymous said...

Lance,

I’ve been reading this blog off and on for the past couple of weeks with a passing interest. I’d like to offer a couple of observations and a couple of questions. First, I’m not siding with anyone.

Observation 1. One of the first things that taught in negotiation or sales classes is to learn about the person to whom you want to sell an idea or concept. You don’t learn about the person by name calling, using profanity, and blasting them. You initially started your blog using this technique and followed it up by wondering why they won’t talk with you.

Honestly, if someone attacked me like this, I would not go down to their level to debate or discuss anything. Even the politicians with whom you write about don’t respond to you. Why should anyone else with whom you've attacked?

Observation 2. Before I make a decision or pass judgment, I like to hear from both sides. I’ve heard a lot from you and your readers. However, a lot of people have raised questions about and have refuted (or offered differing interpretations of) your facts, analysis, and conclusions about the motives of a person and an organization with whom you’ve had very little interaction. A reasonable person, wouldn’t put much faith in your analysis and conclusions.

Also, I haven’t heard anything from Tony or the NBMA. I would suspect, that based on my Observation 1, they wouldn’t respond. If they did respond, it would be posted on their official website and not on yours because anyone with internet access could “claim” they’re Tony or a NBMA representative on your blog. You have no way of verifying anything. And quite frankly, I don’t know if the other people, who “claim” they know Tony, even know him. I’ve also learned not to base my opinion about a person solely on what I’ve read or others tell me.

I applaud Richard for holding out on his support. There simply aren’t enough clear and supportable facts to go in either direction. While there may be some truth to what you’re saying, the message is being drowned out by the profane method of delivery.

Now for the questions…

When I was growing up and complained, my parents simply said, “Put up or shut up.” Tony obviously formed the NBMA because he felt that there was a void in the Black and running communities. Rather than complaining and griping, he took a major, public risk and formed a national Black organization. This cannot be denied.

He also made Black history by becoming the first Black to run marathons on every continent. This did not distract from the accomplishments of other Black history makers. It added to it. He also wrote about his accomplishment. Again, he took a very public risk at exposing himself to critics, such as you. He can obviously take the heat.

Both of these things take a lot of guts. He’s willing face the heat. The real question is “Are you?”

Several people have asked you (or alluded to) two very specific questions. I feel that before you post another comment or write about Tony and the NBMA, you owe your readers answers to these two questions.

1. When will we be able to join your running club?
2. When will we be able to buy your book about Black Americans and long distance running on Amazon.com?

Until you’ve accomplished both of these objectives, you’ve lost a great amount of credibility and respect with your readers. Please, don’t comment about anything I’ve written. Again, I’m just an observer. Just give us the two dates (without any commentary) and make it happen without any excuses. Or simply shut up.

“Actions speak louder than words.”

Lance said...

1:23 - Appreciate your comments.

>First, I’m not siding with anyone.

It's not about taking a side, it's about _thinking_. Viewing through a lens other than your own. Not necessarily agreeing - but at least seeing. Too often we close our eyes. Mine are open and I will try to see your points :)

> You don’t learn about the person by name calling

You're approaching this from a flawed premise. I well know how to negotiate & communicate persuasively - that's not what I am trying to do here - we're past that, I tried to do that a year ago behind the scenes just between me and the NBMA - to encourage them to improve in certain ways, I felt and feel Black runners deserved better - I offered views, help, etc. I emailed the NBMA's Gregory Evans to arrange for them a telephone interview a living legend Ted Corbitt for the NBMA's DVD film on Black Americans & The Marathon Distance. They were not responsive - in fact emailed all their regional clubs too, etc. all of them. Heck I profiled the NBMA on this blog before positively TWICE. Please take note of this. I featured Tony Reed in an admirable positive light on this blog site. Here is the link:
http://harlemrunner.blogspot.com/2007/06/lost-dutchman-marathon-set-date.html

In that blog entry I said, "I am no where near a Tony Reed". So let's be clear here on some things. I've heralded Tony Reed out of nothing but Black solidarity publicly - while inside I knew he and the NBMA was not what they try and make themselves appear to be. Again, for the record, In June of '07 right here on Harlem 26.2 I heralded Tony Reed, supporting him and the NBMA to the public. I drank the "Kool-Aid" you might say for Tony Reed & the NBMA - however...enough is enough - Tony Reed is a fraud, the NBMA and embarrassment, it has to be said - he/they have no intention of changing.

Understand, before my recent speech on Tony Reed & the NBMA - I was (and am) on solid footing in my perception on Tony Reed's agenda & the organizational culture of the NBMA - Tony Reed's entire "Modis Operandi".

>Honestly, if someone attacked me like this, I would not go down to their level to debate or discuss anything.

Again, you fail to see what's really going on here. You use the word "attack", I use the words "clearly illustrate eliminating all possibility of doubt"....knowing not to expect and not seeking a response to me. I've just made it to where the NBMA cannot deny or avoid me. Keep in mind, Tony Reed hires a company called Malloy Marketing Group, a PR agency specializing in runners to further his self crafted profile & image. Tony Reed pays money to control, manipulate, and contrived how he is perceived to the public and in media. I've effectively truncated that with the help of Google. My speech is a countering voice to Tony Reed's PR efforts: I've well established why this is appropriate and need.

>Even the politicians with whom you write about don’t respond to you.

You know very little. I have been interviewed for 2 forth coming books on Charles Rangel & Harlem and am in the "rola-dex" of a number of reporters here in NYC and DC - as the only person they can rely on to be a contrary voice to Charles Rangel out of Harlem. Mind you I deal with him on a face to face basis about once a month. I just don't publicize my involvements in that arena on Harlem 26.2 I'm regularly contacted by reporters who've scheduled an interview or whatever with Rangel - last year when he was pushing his book? Goodness...it was a daily thing. The point? Could I possibly be providing background "fodder" for anyone interested in interviewing Tony Reed/NBMA? Or even learning about the NBMA? I ask you, might my speech be empowering a reporter to ask Tony Reed, "Tony, in 1950 Texas enacted a law making it illegal for you to run in State and City parks in Texas, what exactly does your logo and slogan mean "1865: Free To Run" ? Nah, I'm just a 'lil 'ol Black man in Harlem, I could not possibly be so Machiavellian, not me.

>organization with whom you’ve had very little interaction.

No - if you're sharp, you can look at Tony Reed's interviews, his website, you can connect the dots on what's going on with Tony Reed and the NBMA. C'mon, you are sharp, his communications, etc. it's about the "Church of Tony Reed" to the exclusion and omission of the history, the heritage, the legacy before him. This is painfully obvious - I've made the case.

>Tony obviously formed the NBMA because he felt that there was a void in the Black and running communities.

Did he? Or is it a vehicle to promote himself to the exclusion of the history, legacy, etc. Did he see an opportunity to develop his on "cottage industry"? Keep in mind, he uses the branding of the organization name as currency to gain attention and access to media. If he were White, no one would care. He's a horrible runner by all standards of measure, his last 2 marathons? He was 1 hour 20 minutes SLOWER than Oprah Winfrey's marathon time. Tony Reed does not "run" as you say in your question, he walks. His times are proof positive of that. I don't even believe Tony Reed is healthy or fit. I am serious. That's the Tony Reed game. Tony does not want to be questioned, he wants you, me, the public to buy into his press releases, defer, he does not want you to think, he wants you to buy into his press releases - he wants the benefit of the clear doubt when you look at his performance levels.

>Rather than complaining and griping, he took a major, public risk and formed a national Black organization. This cannot be denied.
_

No. He formed the "Church of Tony Reed". I've well documented that, it's all about Tony Reed. Al Sharpton is a friend of mine, he co-opted words too to do basically the same thing.

>1. When will we be able to join your running club?

If you read this blog - you're in the club already. Where is the NBMA Blog anyway? Have you ever asked that question? Do enough research on me and you'll learn I make it possible for poor kids from Harlem to have a summer camp experience and learn music. Running is a small part of my game - I co-fund a music education program. No, I am not so giving that I actually work with the kids - unfortunately I can't make the time though I would like to - I just make it po$$ible.

>2. When will we be able to buy your book about Black Americans and long distance running on Amazon.com?

Anyone can do what Tony has done, write a self published book and place it on Amazon. I've had 2 known running writers ask me to participate in a book in fact, now that you ask - perhaps in '09 - and it won't be a self-published book.
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Look, Black people in the aggregate are basically conditioned to expect "less". We have marginalized cultural standards. I go to and support Black book fairs, etc. but the books are far more than not lousy on all parameters. Most pop culture major motion Black films have lousy plots, frequently an ignorance factor is sprinkled throughout the film, something like "Soul Plane".

Guess what, I am for higher standards from our people, especially a guy like Tony Reed seeking to promote himself off the backs of the real thing, Ted Corbit and Delores Corss, etc.

Tony Reed is a marathoner in the sense of a lower standard "chitlin' circuit" type of thing. Yes I've hammered him, it's well supported, if anything he should get his act together, get fit, and complete a marathon and not at the bottom of the barrel, is that too much to ask for? I would not say any of this if he did not pay a PR Agency to push and promote him to media and in the public as a marathon runner.

Tony Reed does not represent or exemplify Black American Marathoners in any way, it has to be said for the dignity of the heritage and legacy that he does not allow to be known on his website.

Through the public square of embarrassment and shame - Tony Reed's gotta give you members of the NBMA a better experience, change the ignorance & denial emblazoned in the logo - raise the game beyond the "Nego 'Chitlin" standard you now collectively embrace. And yes - even after all this, I will still get your organization - all of you - into the NYC '09 Marathon. I have the connections to get that done and will use them to enable you all to experience the top of the food chain of marathons.

Anonymous said...

Again, getting back to the two questions. This isn't about making comments about Tony. In fact, don't even mention him your response. This is about YOU.

1. When may we join your running organization? What's the name of your organization? Is it a 501(c)3? For all we know (who don't live in NYC), you're making up a story about working with kids. Simply responding to a blog does not make me a member of an organization. An organization has a mission statement, a board of directors, etc. You're mininalizing the effort and work it takes to start and run a national organization.

2. Again, you failed to specify when YOUR book will be published. Again, you're minimalizing the effort it takes to write a book. I want a date as to when I can buy YOUR book. Sometime in 2009 is a bit vague.

Lance, I want to hold YOU accountable for YOUR statements about YOUR actions without bringing Tony into this. My response is 100% about you.

So, again, give us, YOUR readers, the two specific dates that we can join YOUR federally recognized organization and buy YOUR book. (And, please don't go off on a tangent about "federally recognized organizations, such as 501(c)3.)

My questions aren't about Tony, they're about you. After all, Tony's not your equal.

Please provide a short, simple response with the two dates in MM/DD/YY format.

Lance said...

I don't believe there is any foundation for me to acquiesce to your query...is there? I've not made claims or characterizations of me...have I? There is no basis for me to meet a criteria or characterization I've never claimed to portray.

I don't do that. That's Tony Reed's thing, remember? He's hired Malloy Marketing Group to market his image, profile as a marathon runner and organization name in the public & in media.

You also failed to make mention of how I have positively gushed over Tony Reed in the past - just on the basis of Black solidarity - as is linked below.

http://harlemrunner.blogspot.com/2007/06/lost-dutchman-marathon-set-date.html

Last week when I learned Tony Reed was intent on acting in the interest of "self" and not the "whole" (NBMA) and orchestrating his own self coronation and narrative by having the NMBA summit at Cowtown in '09 - I decided to answer and or counter the PT Barnum he truly is, a fraud.

None of your points counter or obfuscate the myriad of assertions and observations I've made about Tony Reed & the NBMA. Instead of investing energy on me, why don't you (Tony/NBMA) get your act collective act together and bring at least the appearance of legitimacy as an organization and not Tony Reed's personal vehicle of self promotion? Haven't I basically forced you to do that?

There's more knowledge and history of Black Marathoners on my blog than your entire website, why is that? I am trying to save people who are misguided by the words you all co-opt National Black Marathoners Association. If you're going to co-opt a legacy, a history, can you at least dignify it by including it?

Let's be honest - Tony Reed and the NBMA is on Google lock-down, my points are solid, and Tony walks marathons, he's 1 hour 20 minutes SLOWER than Oprah Winfrey. It's ridiculous, illustrates hypocrisy per his press releases, and is the epitome of low to no standards for self.

Please raise the bar for yourselves and Tony Reed (if you're going to be keepers of the name National Black Marathoners Association) I'm actually kind of thinking about showing up at the NBMA Summit in Fort Worth, TX. Will the NBMA be rolling out the red carpet for me when I arrive?

Anonymous said...

1:03pm Question, I notice you toss around the term "501(c)3". For the rest of those of us who aren't accountants or lawyers this designates the organization as tax-exempt in the eyes of the IRS. Simple as that. Choosing to be technically concise in a conversation that does not lend itself to that use of terminology seems to me like a person (likely an accountant) attempting to talk down to the rest of us. Tony Reed is CPA.....Tony Reed have you finally joined us?

Anonymous said...

Most race directors, running club officers, and pastors, who solicite corporate donations, know about a 501(c)3's. It's one of the first steps towards getting money. You don't have to be a CPA to know this.

No MM/DD/YY...no credibility!!!

Anonymous said...

5:36. No that is not the first step towards getting money that is the first step toward achieving a tax-exempt status.

However, you do bring up a good point. If soliciting corporate donations is such a major benefit of achieving 501(c)(3) status, then why doesn't your organization (NBMA) do so? Why would you go through the effort of establishing yourself as a tax-exempt entity if the members of your organization are going to continue to carry the banner of self-reliance? You don't need a tax-exempt status to do that. Why not use it to your benefit and get those corporate sponsors as the blog article suggests? Other members of your organization have commented that gaining corporate sponsorship is not in fact one of the goals of the organization, that the scholarships and other expenses are paid out of the pockets of the board of directors. This says to me one of two things. Either, one, the members of the organization don't know what they are talking about and the organization does indeed seek to gain corporate sponsorship or two, the organization has gained tax-exempt status for no good reason.

Can you clarify that for the rest of us?

Anonymous said...

I never said I was a member of the NBMA. You'll have to ask them.

Again, no MM/DD/YY...no creditbility.

Lance said...

The NBMA: Now Tony Reed controls the press releases and how he feeds media content & data to write about his organization.

I read in the same month, January '08 Tony Reed said NBMA membership was more than 500
http://www.runnersworld.com/article/0,7120,s6-243-297--12392-0,00.html

In the same month in a newspaper interview Tony Reed claimed the NBMA has 800 members.
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/columnists/dfetterman/stories/020108dnspofetterman.2dc9b16.html

I know Runner's World lead times, etc. Anyone have a clue as to the truth? Is it top secret or something?

Is there a reasonable accounting of how NBMA membership goes from above 500 (assuming it's just above that number he had published) to a full, nice, exact precise number like "800"?

Judging by the NBMA message board on Yahoo I would guess the truth is the NBMA has 1 or 2 dozen members tops. Do NBMA members not have computers or something?

Methinks Tony Reed got sloppy with his bullshit - and it's illustrated in this bogus membership figure(s). There is no reasonable accounting for this variance. Am I supposed to believe NBMA membership grew 60% in a blink of an eye (or some weeks in lead time)?

Can Tony Reed the CPA count? Any reason for the accountant not to have an accurate count of his members?

Anonymous said...

> "I would not say any of this if he did not pay a PR agency to push or promote him to media".

Well, Lance I don't believe, for a minute, that you will keep your word. You will, no doubt, invent another reason to further bash a organization you know very little about.

But here goes: Tony Reed AND the NBMA (2 separate entities) HAVE NEVER, EVER, PAID ANY MARKETING AGENCY for any type of promotion and that includes Malloy Marketing Agency. (where do you get this garbage)??

Some of your regular readers may actually think you know what you're talking about (and that's very saddenning)!

I don't know what your agenda is, really. But, I don't believe it's what you say it is.

You have referred to the NBMA as a cult. In fact the NBMA:

1. has NO requiresments to join.
2. has a number of members who
are White and other races.
3. does not know the race of it's
members. 90% of them join
online.
4. delivers information by email
or newsletter only.
5. You would have readers believe
it's all about one person and
that's NOT TRUE and you know it.
6. I was at the Phoenix marathon
and it was wonderful. I wasn't
a member than. But, I am
now. All you get when you
join is a promise that
your email information will
never be sold. No one even
cares if you are a member or
not. You get to visit with
some "mind blowing" sprinters,
runners, joggers, walkers and
wheelchair bound racers. It's
Great. The old timers bring
photos and great stories of
their adventures. The new
competitors are encouraged and
cheered on BY EVERYONE.
Someone got wind that a
firstimer's birthday was race
day. A cake was bought by
someone and she was surprised
with a pre race celebration.
7. Don't know if you did or didnot
contact the guy whose film or
DVD on Black runners you have
issue with. What I do know is
that Tony Reed and NBMA
had ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO
WITH. No one even knows one
another's occupation. Yes, the
guy probably is a member. But,
members don't know each other
through NBMA. They would have
to see someone wearing the logo
or just ask at a race or read
something mentioned in the
Newsletter.


That does not fit the definition of a cult. They do tell you of the scholarship fund for High school kids with an interest in distance running. No solicitation.

Again, it's online membership...most of us have never met each other.
Tony Reed is not the only CPA or accountant in the group of more the 800 members. There is not even a question of occupation on the membership application online (see for yourself). I Know of several more accountants (just by discussion with them. I'm one of those and wished I had commented before now.
Someone already ask you to sent the information on Historical Black runners the you want everyone in the group to know about to them to include in a Newsletter or submission on the Website. Have you facts straight or allow them to post it as a submittion for you as an FYI. They have a bulletin board and a mailing address.
Also, answer this questions. If you were one of the founders of an organization that you were very proud of; would you leave it out when you had a chance to promote it? Yes or No?
If you wrote anykind of book would you never speak of in to those who might enjoy it. Yes or No.

OK, Lance let's see if you keep you word. Unlike you, I went directly to the source for answers. I was embrassed to have to admit to the source of the accusations about them. I wish I could be a proud read to your blog. But, I'm not. It's like reading the "Inquirer" it could be entertaining until it's about someone you know.
Oh, I wish Tony would hire an ad agency to promote his book. It's pretty good. And like you said there's not a lot out there.

FlatFoot

Anonymous said...

6:25 - You keep speaking to dates and credibility. I am unsure of how from your perspective credibility is established. You ask when a book will be published and a running club will be established.

From what I understand, Tony Reed's book is self-published and as you pointed out is selling on Amazon.com. I'm unsure how that in and of itself establishes credibility. That would mean I could take my journal (although no one would want to read it) and sell it on Amazon. That doesn't establish credibility, that establishes the fact that I have an account with Amazon (anyone can sell any document on Amazon). But to your point, let's go with the date March 28th, 2007. That's the date Lance made his first blog entry. From that time until today he has been writing articles which seek to entertain and inform those who chose to read them at NO COST to them. He doesn't seek to sell anything or turn a profit from what he's done. If you read some of the comments he reaches people, inspires people, and helps people to gain a little insight into the world of running in both a contemporary and historical context. Even you who do not with his points are so affected that you have come on this site to comment, to contribute, to start a conversation. There's no credibility in that? In Mr. Reed's book it seems that you get what he's written, things from his perspective, he tells you what he wants you to hear.....where is the guts and credibility in that? Lance "self-publishes" blog entries and takes the feedback he gets GOOD or BAD. He doesn't take down what he doesn't want to read, from what I can tell he reads and responds to ALL who wish to contribute. That I think is credible.

To your point on establishing his own running club. I believe that establishing a running club of his own would be counterproductive to the articles he has presented. He made numerous suggestions on how the current National Black Marathoners' Association could improve themselves. He insists that they can be a dynamic, more significant organization in the black community. By establishing his own [assumingly Black] running club wouldn't that seek to further to divide the black community? I see your point though....why try to help those around you (even if it's not the way you want to hear it) when you can just do it yourself, and then tout yourself as the new premier black running organization in America. Forget the National Black Marathoners' Association, join my team. Divide and conquer, how right you are.

Anonymous said...

>Lance you speak of the church or cult of Tony Reed.

What kind of church is it that has no dues or collections. Meets only once a year and celebrates everyone's (members and non-members) accomplishments (no matter how small). Preacher and leaders work without any payment. Never preaches against it's nay-sayers. I want to become a member of that church!

When you've run 90 plus races then you can critize. Why, don't you list his best time. Why should I even care about his time. You said you've said good things about him twice in the past. Did, he not send you a "BIG THANK YOU LANCE" note. Why don't you go after Les Brown. He's a Black speaker and writer. He promotes himself and books constantly. He's even paid agencies to promote him. I think that's what you do if you're trying to build a business. Why, is Tony held to a different standard.
I think you keep this up to more up "YOUR POSITION" on google. Isn't that the same thing you accuse Tony Reed of. You are manipulating for you personally. Not for anything cause. You are pimping the very ones you claim to honor. Why don't they comment on your blog? You lack integrity!

Lance said...

>But here goes: Tony Reed AND the NBMA (2 separate entities) HAVE NEVER, EVER, PAID ANY MARKETING AGENCY for any type of promotion and that includes Malloy Marketing Agency. (where do you get this garbage)??
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Below is a link to a press release about the NBMA featuring Tony Reed issued by the Malloy Marketing Group.

http://www.marathonguide.com/pressreleases/index.cfm?file=NBMA_070717

Here is another - note at the bottom it was fed to CoolRunning by the Malloy Marketing Group

http://www.coolrunning.com/engine/3/3_1/first-black-runner-finish.shtml

I've given you 2 examples of how you are exactly wrong. How many more must you see before you accept that you are wrong?

Tony Reed hires, pays money to have his contrived image, profile, narrative marketed to media & the public. Mallow is a PR agency specializing in runners and running events. Tony Reed spends money on trying to have others view him through his controlled lens (the press release wherein he feeds what he seeks to have media say about him). Again, the proof is there in the links - these are just 2 examples. Believe me - I have contact in this running world too - I get asked about Tony Reed & the NBMA as well.

Now really, are people not supposed to believe their "lying eyes"? It's clear, it's there, Tony Reed sells himself using the words FIRST, NATIONAL BLACK MARATHONERS ASSOCIATION, etc.

Again, notice the pattern? Every single one of my assertions about Tony Reed & The Black Marathoners is fact based and supported with _evidence_, not my opinion.

Look, get your house in order, change the logo, dignify the legacy by acknowledging it - give some love to Delores Cross for crissakes, educate your members - expand beyond the "Church of Tony Reed"....and I am good with you all and will do all NBMA members that want to in the NYC Marathon '09.

I am solid on my end - I have fought to get Black people, "back-of-the-pack" runners just as slow as Tony Reed into closed NYRR events, and have been successful in doing so. I will fight like hell and use all my connections (and they're hard wired) to get you all in the NYC Marathon - even though I am ripping you all collectively. It's not about this fight - it is imperative that the NBMA gets it house in order - you have my 100% consent to cut and past - take all my content on my blog - I don't care - heck you can do a better job than me in editing it, etc.

If you don't have the people to help you do that, I will help you. It's not a big deal to me - honestly. We will get past this - my only real demand is to remove that BS "1865:Free To Run"? Why? Our people were lynched for violating Jim Crow laws. We were not "free to run". Your slogan is a disgrace to the reality for millions. I don't blame the members, I blame Tony Bullshit Reed. I am serious on that point. Your slogan is worse than the rebel flag! If you all want me to lighten up on Tony Reed, change the damn logo.

All the best,

Anonymous said...

NOT WRONG!

You specifically said PAID promotions. I never said an agency had had comments or promotions. You can control whats said about you (you're proof of that) Again, I said you come up with some unverified claim. Done of those you bash will communicate with you. You just don't process information someone with a healthy mental capacity. I've been around a lot of Bi-Polar people. They're like Pitbulls when they get on to something. They believe it and facts been nothing to them. EVERYONE else is wrong or misguided. There is medication for this. I'm not making fun. It's serious issue with me. Get help.

Lance said...

7:55: Tony Reed's times are relevant because they illustrate the fraud he is. In his last marathon, an 80 year old man named Gene Brock beat Tony Reed by 15 minutes for crissakes. Sorry, that's not acceptable by someone who issues press releases about their marathoning feats.

Tony Reed accepts and embraces low to no standards. He does not train, he is not fit, he does not run. He literally walks these events, that's clear in viewing his times just 7 and 9 minutes shy of 6 hours. Yet he pays a PR Agency to "market & sell" something different than the truth - that he is a marathon runner - laughable by any standard.

Tony Reed chooses to be perform at the bottom of the barrel. He does this when he allows for 5 days between races as he did last week, as he's doing at the end of this month between St. Louis & ING Georgia. Dumb by any measure - however for Tony Reed - it's not about doing something well - it's about constructing a narrative to sell to the public & media - get press, sell books, get speaking gigs - this is a cottage industry for him - that he's seeking to build - the man is a fraud and relies on his race & the name of his organization to open doors. If he were White - no one would care, media could characterize him as I have.

Tony makes choices NO RUNNING coach would support, he has no credibility at all, zero, none, to speak on matters "marathon". He plays the race card, and pays and Malloy Marketing Group to craft a profile different than the truth.

Anonymous said...

Lance
I'm not going to look at your site again. This, back and forth with one man and one organization, is stupid. People have a freewill to call themselves whatever they want to. I think it's called freedom of speech. I used to think you were a smart brother. Used to. Now,I think your motive to keep it up is because it is the ONLY topic that gets a lot of comments. So you have someone to talk to. And just for the record I sincerely hope Tony Reed IS doing everything you accuse him of. Self promotion is not a crime. I can't believe you're in business and don't appreciate that. What kind of business are you in. You've never said Tony Reed didn't complete Marathons on all seven continents. You never said Tony Reed has not completed 94 marathons. You did said you are not a marathoner. What's with all the comdemnation. If you're selling a book you'd better emphasize the best. Oh, the other comment-person was correct. It states "Tony Reed first black marathoner ON ALL SEVEN CONTINENTS"! You do a brother an injustice when you manipulate the truth. If you ever do something noteworthy Tony Reed is the type of guy to be at the top of your supporters. You just wrong brother. Win your readers respect back by admitting it. Lance I'm a Texan born and raised. You'd be hard press to find a state with clean hands in regard to treatment of Blacks. If they can't run in states with a bad past, present, and probably future then they'd have to become international. Attaching a state's dirty laundry to any organzition is below the belt.... way below. Georga and New York are in the same bucket of shame.

DisappointedJoe

Anonymous said...

Lance
I KNEW IT!!!! I knew you could NOT keep your word. You are too caugh up in your game. YES, the Mallory people said something good. Yes, if someone interviews Mr. Reed he'll point out the good. Any fool would do that. BUT, NO ONE GOT PAID. I went to the SOURCES...you can't. So you assume and push it as truth.Your assumptions make an ASS out of U (not mE). They also make you a liar. You should feel pretty bad when you get the facts straight.

NOTWRONG

Anonymous said...

Maybe if we readers BOYCOTT COMMENTING on this then Lance will get the picture and more on.

Sickened

Anonymous said...

Yeah, I agree with you Sickened. I've had enough. Too, bad. I could come here and find good information on Black runners past and future. But, now it's a drain.
I know I just added to the problem with this comment. But, I'm joining the comments boycott.

Silent

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